Jon Gabriel (@ExJon) and Stephen Miller (@RedSteeze) welcome back writer and musician James Poulos (@JamesPoulos) to chat about everything from spacegaze to Nietzsche to mimetic desire. James is the author of The Art of Being Free, a contributing editor at National Affairs, and a contributor to Ricochet, The Federalist, Foreign Policy, and Vice. He’s also in a great band called Vast Asteroid.

​The intro/outro song is “Sick” by Vast Asteroid. Jon’s song of the week is “This Is Permanent” by Airiel and Stephen’s is “A Part of Us” by Fever Ray. To listen to all the music featured on The Conservatarians, subscribe to our Spotify playlist.

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